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@Azazel@lemmy.ml

2026-10-25 17:12 UTC

before I say what I’m about to say I want to be clear I don’t think Judaism = Zionism and I agree that Netanyahu is absolutely pushing that narrative to support his goals. That said I think your comparison to race here is quite unfair. Bigotry surrounding race, sex, orientation etc is fundamentally different than religion. It needs to be acknowledged that profiling behaviors based on race, sex, orientation etc is wrong in large part because those things have very little to do with people’s behavior or beliefs outside their narrow domain. So the only broad stroke statements to make about them are bigoted and hateful. On the other hand religion shapes someone’s entire worldview and how they act. I think it’s a bit of a problem that somehow we’ve convinced ourselves which cult you joined deserves as much respect how you were born. It doesn’t. And while not everyone who’s a member of the cult believes all its tenets it’s entirely fair to acknowledge that the central tenets of these cults are deeply problematic in themselves. So yeah lots of people who call themselves Jewish are not Zionist but that requires not accepting key parts of the central texts. So I guess what I’m saying is for Non-Zionist Jewish people I think the burden of proof is kinda on them to clarify. When you identify yourself as a member of a cult I’m gonna assume you follow its teachings unless you tell me otherwise. Similarly we can’t pretend the existence of the cult is entirely independent of the existence of fundamentalists that take its texts to the most literal and problematic extreme. Holy war and its war crimes have plagued humanity for literally its entire history and I think we need to be honest about the fact that while individual people who are members of these cults may not be problematic the continued acceptance of these widespread cults in the modern era totally is.

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  • @SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2026-10-25 20:40

    I think a lot of people don’t realize that not every Jewish person is Judaist and not every Judaist is Jewish. There’s this weird idea that all members of the race believe the same thing, which is demonstrably false, yet people continue to conflate the race and the religion.

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  • @givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2026-10-25 17:20

    No group of people is a monolith Take it about nations then. Because when I said “no group of people” in this context what I meant was citizens of a country, but again, it’s any group. Take a group of boomers who believe the Chevy Corvette is the best vehicle ever, within that group there will be schisms and disagreements. I’ll say it one more time: No group of people is a monolith

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