@begrudgedcarfolk@sh.itjust.works
2026-10-30 08:22 UTC
Replies (21)
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@crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub 2026-10-31 03:18
A lot of the past criticisms of proton I believe are very overstated but it’s clear that things are not healthy inside proton.
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@BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 2026-10-31 03:23
Nah. I’m going to keep the subscription
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@phx@lemmy.world 2026-10-31 00:41
Unfortunately I can’t send a message by cancelling. Fortunately it’s because I already saw their CEO was a fascist-supporting duck dickwad who only paid lip service to privacy/security in the name of profit (so I went with different companies for my VPN/email/etc needs).
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@bort@sopuli.xyz 2026-10-30 11:23
where do you migrate to? especially password manager and web storage? I used to self host those, but nextcloud is a pain to keep updated, and password management is to important to do half assed. edit: thanks for the suggestions. i’m gonna try out filen, and after that maybe keypass via filen
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@Ravenheart@lemmy.zip 2026-10-30 21:51
I just finished a long process of degoogling. Don’t tell me I have to deproton now. Ugh.
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@catsoop@lemmy.world 2026-10-31 04:09
I’m glad I bounced when they were caught sponsoring far right creators. Luckily, I had set up my own domain name so the switch was easy. Tuta has been alright thus far.
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@W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2026-10-30 21:33
Did Andy Yen do something stupid again? I think I’m out of the loop. EDIT: Just saw it. Ugh. Why can’t we just have nice things not run by jerks?
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@tramdan@piefed.social 2026-10-30 09:11
I did exactly that a few days ago when I read about the AI interviews. Using Tuta now.
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@bold_omi@lemmy.today 2026-10-30 18:08
Personally, I will stick with Proton for now because they are the least fascist option I have found for my use case that suits my standards of security. As such, I would not consider myself able to cancel my subscription. But I do deeply dislike their CEO, Andy Yen, and will send a complaint regarding his conduct and recommending his removal. He is a danger to his own company’s mission and to Proton’s user base. I agree with everything you said in this post. I will add that: Proton’s insistance on using Electron applications for their “standalone” apps is a major issue as well. I recommend using LibreOffice instead of their rather trashy office suite. Lumo also needs to go. Ethical software cannot be developed with—or in support of—LLMs.
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@wheres_frank@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-11-01 03:18
I just switched to Migadu. Super good plans and very good if you have multiple domains. When I canceled Proton, I put the reason, “Your CEO is a lunatic.”
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@TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2026-11-01 03:28
I honestly thought the CEO is a fascist is old news? I’ve been wondering for awhile why Lemmy seems to have forgotten this, despite the fact that it was Lemmy that raised the issue about Andy.
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@futurefossil@lemmy.world 2026-10-31 17:42
Sooo… what VPNs do y’all like
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@LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 2026-11-01 03:36
I use them for email and I’m not moving anytime soon. Thankfully, 98% of my email, probably more like 99.9% if I’m being honest, is just worthless junk. I don’t care if they see it. I was self-hosting my email server for like eight years until Debian decided to just eviscerate itself one day on a system update for some reason. I gave up, moved to them, and I don’t have the time or the energy to move again. I don’t use any of their other services. I have my own seafile for file storage. I have my own Wireguard on a VPS for VPN usage. Etc etc
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@AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2026-11-01 03:47
I become more and more weary about the absolutist moralizing. Yeah this CEO is nutty, but what I want from him is to protect the privacy of his customers. That is a precious good to us. I especially mistrust the fuckai fanatics who want to burn down everything and everyone that has remotely to with AI no matter if it’s reasonable or unreasonable. Their tactics are despicable and their strategy leads to unproductive outcomes for all. Soon there will be no big VPN and privacy companies left and it will be easy to mop up what is left without resistance.
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@WhosMansIsThis@lemmy.sdf.org 2026-10-31 19:56
I’m sure in a few days we’re going to hear about an all hands or internal memo where Andy apologizes for his “poor communication” and how hes “committed to being a better leader by being a better communicator^tm^” But how he communicates - his tone, his word choice, his inflection - is just an indictment of his character. I honestly don’t give a fuck about the kind of person he is. Mostly because selfishly, I don’t have to. The main issue is his ideas. The things he’s advocating for are fundamentally incompatible with a business whos only two value propositions are privacy and security. A.I. is surveillance tech. Period. Every interaction, from keystroke to window focus, is meticulously categorized, logged, and sent back to to a handful of people like Andy Yen; Who then use it to draw conclusions that reaffirm their own cognitive biases. Its a doom-loop for C-level execs that suffer from main character syndrome. Because surely, the only reason the company is successful at all is because of the CEOs hard work and business acumen and any perceived failures come from those lazy engineers that only think about going slow. Like losers. Im not the biggest fan of A.I. but theres a huge difference between asking it to help spot a difficult bug and using it to spy on your subordinates and determine their individual productivity rankings. Like, that guy seriously can’t be in charge of the privacy company. We’re fucked.
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@Yukonfooty@lemmy.ca 2026-11-01 04:15
Name me a VPN that is comparable to Proton and I’ll move to that and Tutamail in a heartbeat.
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@NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 2026-10-31 17:23
I didn’t give them money, so unfortunately I can’t give less than nothing.
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@ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 2026-11-01 04:40
I switched from Proton to Tuta a while ago, then realized they both suck for the same reason—walled garden. Airvpn is a reliable option for torrenting in my experience. Mailbox.org is a great option for mail, based in Germany. They have some things included other than mail, including a drive.
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@abc@suppo.fi 2026-10-31 10:20
No. I’m not going to make changes in my personal digital life because of online influencers. Proton is fine.
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@Innerworld@lemmy.world 2026-10-31 21:22
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@ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2026-10-31 08:43
Glad I chose Tuta instead of Proton